What if the UFO phenomenon isn’t simply being investigated by governments, but is being used to investigate us? And what if the forces behind it are connected to consciousness, intelligence agencies, occultism, and nonhuman intelligence?
In this episode of Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown, Peter Levenda, author of the Sinister Forces trilogy and co-author with Blink-182’s Tom DeLonge of the nonfiction Sekret Machines trilogy (Gods, Man, and War), goes deep down the rabbit hole of UFOs, UAP, nonhuman intelligence (NHI), government secrecy, consciousness, occultism, intelligence operations, and the mysterious “Men in Black.”
We begin with the JFK assassination and explore its possible connections to UFOs, NHI, consciousness, and sinister forces operating behind the scenes. Levenda examines why he believes Kennedy’s assassination may have affected the American psyche more deeply than we realize, as well as the intriguing parallels between the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations. Could the U.S. government have been influenced by negative nonhuman intelligence? Was there ever a secret deal between the government and aliens? And is the growing push for UFO/UAP/NHI disclosure revealing the truth, or concealing something more sinister?
Levenda discusses why he finds it frustrating that NHI is often reduced to traditional “angels and demons” narratives, and why understanding the phenomenon may require perspectives from religious scholars, linguists, anthropologists, psychiatrists, and other experts, not just the technological and military worlds. We examine the infamous Roswell UAP crash and its possible connection to Nazi technology, the relationship between occultism, religion, mythology, and power, and the disturbing ties between occult ideas and Nazi Germany.
We also explore Levenda’s encounters with the “Men in Black,” including why he believes certain entities may not want him to have the information he possesses. He shares his own riveting UAP sighting and considers the strange possibility that his years of studying UFOs and occultism could somehow have played a role in summoning or conjuring the phenomenon.
Could intelligence agencies be studying (and potentially manipulating) UFO experiencers? Levenda explores theories involving the CIA, reverse-engineering the phenomenon, and the unsettling history of government experimentation on its own citizens, including MKUltra, Project Bluebird, and the Montreal “deep patterning” experiments involving memory manipulation and alleged false-memory implantation. We ask what consciousness manipulation might look like today, and how psychological operations, propaganda, and behavioral experimentation could influence what we believe without us recognizing it.
We also unpack the controversial theories surrounding Hitler’s alleged survival after World War II, questioning the official bunker-suicide narrative and examining conflicting eyewitness testimony. We also confront a deeper question: What happens psychologically when you go too far down the rabbit hole of UFOs, secret societies, occultism, and humanity’s hidden history?
From JFK and Roswell to NHI, intelligence agencies, government experimentation, disclosure, consciousness manipulation, the Men in Black, Nazi technology, occultism, and Hitler survival theories, this conversation explores whether the UFO phenomenon is technological, psychological, consciousness-related...or something far stranger.
And if powerful institutions have influenced what people believe for generations, how much of our reality is actually our own?
